FF Pixel Shift versus MF Scan (Preliminary/Non-Macro)

OK - I had apparent success using pixel shift on my Z8/105 macro this morning on a favorite 40-year-old 35mm color negative of my then fiancé. I set the camera up for 32 shots, merged it all in NX Studio, and then had LrC grab it from my Pictures folder. LrC retained NEFX file and NLP had no problem with the 915mb file.

The results are not earth-shattering - at least not when pixel peeping. Perhaps as I work on it more, I’ll find more latitude in the file, but sharpness and noise are only marginally improved. One big improvement is in the dimensions of the file. The cropped non-shifted image was 3741x5611; the pixel-shifted cropped image is 7601x11401. So, in that respect, one should get a sharper print from the pixel-shifted scan.

Now the interesting part: I tried a scan with a Hasselblad X2D with a non-macro 65mm lens. Because of the 20-inch minimum focusing distance on this lens, by the time I cropped the image, I had only 77 mb to work with at 1513x2018. (I had to view the file at 400 percent to get the same field of view as viewing the Z8 scan at 100 percent.) The resulting scan is essentially low-res, but it looks like noise and dynamic range will be improved with MF versus a pixel-shifted FF scan.

Now, of course, this comparison means very little short of using a macro lens on the Hasselblad. Unfortunately, using a converter to fit my Carl Zeiss 120 Makro “V” lens to the XCD mount would far exceed the height of my riser. Plus - not that I have the funds to buy a new lens - the Hasselblad XCD macro lens (which has minimum focus distance within the range of my rig) is out of stock - perhaps indicating a new lens is coming based on an updated design.

Sorry I can only report these preliminary results. I must say, though, that MF seems to have scanning potential exceeding FF pixel shift. But even if that actually turns out to be the case, it will be at a dear financial cost. Probably not worth it for B&W (which is mostly when I shoot film) and increasing my skill with NLP will likely get me where I need to be for my occasional color images as well.

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I don’t have a pixel shift camera but on the other hand I have never seen anyone show that it has been a benefit when film ‘scanning’. That doesn’t mean it can’t be but you’d think that pixel shift advocates would want to come up with some slam dunk proof of the benefits. I’m really talking about resolution here, I can see that a ‘Bayer-cancelling’ 4-shift mode could improve the colour, at least theoretically, so your 32 shot pixel-shift would certainly have done that.

With your examples I find it easier to visualize it in Megapixels rather than Megabytes. Your 45 MP Z8 (a maximum of 8256 x 5504 px) should do a very good job on a 35mm negative without pixel shift. With your 32 shot pixel shift you’ve arrived at a cropped result of around 87 MP, so around double the Megapixels. Do you think that you might just be hitting the limits of what detail exists on the film, a “40-year-old 35mm color negative” ? It’s bound to be a case of diminishing returns once you go over around 45MP I would have thought.

With your Hasselblad MF back and the 65mm non-macro lens you are restricted by your setp to cropping heavily and arriving at an image on only 3 MP so it’s difficult to compare meaningfully with the Nikon file really. Actually 2018 x 1513 pixels doesn’t seem to give the correct aspect ratio for 35mm.

Thanks for those observations, Harry. On second read, it looks like the MF cropped image came to 1338x1784, but I see that I’ve left in more border on the sides than the top.

I recently edited my post to comment that perhaps the best (only?) benefit of the shifted scan is in image size. So, while the images may look similar when pixel-peeping, an actual very large print may be marginally sharper with the shifted file. And yes: The non-shifted image with the Z8 is plenty sharp and also yes, I think I’ve maxed out on what I can achieve when scanning 35mm.

I’m new to DSLR scanning, and as I learn more about NLP (I’m only now using the clipping function and color choices), I’m sure I’lll get everything I need out of my Z8 scans.

I have been testing pixel shift vs single capture for a few weeks now on a Panasonic Lumix S1R. Before that, I read about it constantly for a few months off and on trying to understand the value - perceived vs real.

I have not had the opportunity to test FF pixel shift vs digital medium formats 44x33mm (Hasselblad/Fuji’s “affordable” MF) or 54x40.5mm (Phase One). They surely do amazing things with single image, 16bit capture. And some of them have pixel shift abilities as well.

I am sure you Nikon will do a stellar job of the task!

I also have gotten to test pixel shift vs dedicated film scanners of various kinds. I am quite happy with all the results of both single capture and pixel shift vs different scanner types. To each their own but camera scanning is where it’s at for me - raw files and post-capture edits rule the day.

My version does 8-images to produce a raw file in-camera. This unusual feature is why I chose the S1R, rather than adding a step with external combination software on other cameras. A used S1R was also more affordable than the other options by a lot. As I have talked about previously, I am working on digitizing a huge archive from a single photographer, in total over 350-400,000 35mm images.

What anyone else chooses to use is personal though so not wanting to debate that. They all do the same thing roughly as long as it is 8/16 images. The 4 image combo type is just for recording full RGB (which is also useful IMO).

TLDR of the longer thoughts below: Pixel shift has great benefits if you can utilize them. But the film emulsion cannot give what it does not have as far as detail goes… so for viewing on nearly any screen and for prints smaller than, say, 16-20" on the long edge I think there is limited usefulness of the technology. At some point, you just “scan” deeper into the grain or dye clouds. Also, alignment and vibration becomes a huge issue compared to single capture.

For me, its the perfect and affordable tool to make higher quality scans of selected images for public presentation and long term preservation. The effort it took to get here was considerably harder than I expected and I am not done trying to perfect it.

For most people I don’t know that pixel shift has strong benefits unless they are printing physical books, cropping extensively, producing large exhibitions or involved in scientific and cultural heritage applications or library and historical archives purposes.

Also, I think the evidence is clear that museums, libraries and archives the world over have nearly all switched entirely to camera capture techniques and this is the way of the future. As far as I can tell, few to none of them use pixel shift techniques but they are often using 150MP 16bit Phase One specialty cameras and lenses. And they are often taking more than one image of the object/films at various distances for preservation purposes. Take from that what you will. This is typical but not always the rule, these places work within the budgets given to them.

“Briefly” on various topics

  1. Sharpness: the images are not sharper, per se, in the grand scheme at real viewing sizes and distances. They are as sharp as the original film and lens made them. However, there is more data captured at the grain level and it has much smoother, finer transitions within colors and edges when you go in to 400% or more. A win, IMHO, but not for the reasons most would expect. The images at extreme magnifications appear to be softer. While at normal viewing distances only a little better or not at all. But in the lower resolution single capture images it is simply the effect of hitting the pixel level of the image, creating artificially sharp edges once zoomed in far enough. I find the grain more pleasing in the high res pixel shift images because it’s smoother, more like it would be in a print because light and enlargers dont use pixels. Said another way, more and smaller pixels means those edges have more detail and thus cleaner transitions at typical and 100-200% viewing distances compared to the lower res image. Great for a 60inch wide print or a 50% crop, but of limited or no utility at all for an 8x10inch print or Instagram.

  2. Resolution: related to more pixels mentioned already… a clear win on the condition that you want to print it large at 300dpi and/or, especially, crop extensively. Otherwise you just have huge files. Final viewing size and viewing distance is what matters. So subjectively useful depending on your needs.

  3. File size: a clear challenge for this technology. The files get very large. DNG conversion and compression can help theoretically though I need to test what downstream effects that has on the images, if any. But quite frankly at large sizes a final TIFF image is often similar. I ONLY do pixel shift on selected and important images for preservation and exhibition, otherwise the size penalty is too great and the process too slow for the volume of images I need to get through.

  4. Full RGB capture: a huge benefit for printing IMHO - cancels out the Bayer pattern interpolation that must take place for the algorithms to create all the colors. For accuracy sake, I love this, especially for slides that can have huge contrast and density compared to negative film. There is some thought that the more accurate RGB color data should provide better color bit depth and dynamic range. That all said, do we fully trust Bayer-pattern interpolation of the colors? Many would argue yes! Including many of the archives I mentioned up top. I do wonder how 14bit capture of FF pixel shift compares to 16bit MF single capture. The one comparison I saw, using math and theory not examples, was compelling and showed that 14bit pixel shift was similar to 16 bit single capture.

  5. Post-Production: all of this combines for a more creatively capable file. Sharpening in post is much nicer and controlled. And color correction or modifications for printing is, again in my opinion, more flexible at this point due to real RGB. I will always take more flexibility when working on creative projects.

  6. Alignment: much more challenging than single capture. Honestly sometimes a pain. Alignment can look good at 24/45 megapixels and bad at my pixel shift 187 megapixels. Being truly meticulous and checking occasionally while you work is essential. The mirror “trick” is fine for the ball park but I find if I want it to be perfect, I must get more specific and do some testing. Focus peaking works about the same using test targets. Seems easiest to use B&W film grain in the 4 corners and center to check yourself after centering with a mirror or peaking on a test target.

  7. Vibration: I am on the upper floor of an older house and if someone is walking elsewhere in the house I can see it on the live view and in images after capture. I have put cork pads under the table feet and anti-vibration pads under my stand. Doesn’t stop it but they subside/settle as soon as the movement stops now.

That wraps up my Ted-NLP talk on pixel shift. :crazy_face:

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Interesting… But let me ask you something… Are you sure that LR actually took all the data in your huge file? Is there a proof that it’s doing what you think it’s doing. If you go to RawDigger forums you will find mentions that only Nikon software is capable producing the proper output from pixel shift raw files. I think it worth checking these details. Maybe there is more in there.

@VladS, I don’t know if you were talking to me and I assume you meant OP but I will look into this, too.

Interesting… But let me ask you something… Are you sure that LR actually took all the data in your huge file? Is there a proof that it’s doing what you think it’s doing. If you go to RawDigger forums you will find mentions that only Nikon software is capable producing the proper output from pixel shift raw files. I think it worth checking these details. Maybe there is more in there.

@SSelvidge yes, I meant OP :wink: Thanks! Still hard to believe that it’s possible to scan 300 000 in one’s lifetime

Oh it is! Many thanks to your targets, too!

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SSelvidge, VladS - Thanks for all your thoughts.

First, Vlad: Upon further scrutiny following my post, yes, I was able to see a slight but definite improvement in grain/noise in the shifted file. That, and the fact that the process worked without a hitch (including LrC reading and working with the native NEFX file) seems to indicate that I’m getting some benefit from the process. Haven’t really considered the Bayer pattern benefits that SSelvidge mentioned, but it seems to make sense.

SSelvidge: Really enjoyed your thoughts on pixel shifting and DSLR scanning in general. I’m only about three weeks into it, following the apparent death of my Nikon CS 9000. Indeed, it was a Z8 scan of my then-fiancé that looked substantially poorer than on old Nikon 9000 file that led me to think of pixel shift and MF. The great news is that after more tinkering with NLP (in particular the clipping protection and color tools), my non-shifted Z8 scan and the Z8 pixel-shifted scan are matching the quality of the CS 9000 scan. This is gratifying as I always knew that I was on borrowed time with the CS 9000.

(BTW, I agree on reserving pixel shifting for only the most important photos. My 40-year portraits of my 26-year-old fiancé certainly qualify!)

Luckily, I don’t have the Herculean scanning task that you have - most of my old negatives and slides were done years ago. But, I’m definitely looking forward to shooting new film projects - and getting my negatives back un-cut!

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Always glad to chat!

My Nikon CS8000 also is nonfunctional… So I removed the lens and use it for camera scanning, too! It’s a huge pain (f2.8 ish DOF) and I don’t recommend it for most people haha but its KILLER when you nail it

Definitely get a real macro lens that can do 1:1 and you will be SURPRISED at how the scans compare to the Nikon CS. There are lots of places that talk about good lenses, and we (and I) have talked about that recently in the forum.

Cheers, good luck, and always ask… people here blow me away with what they know and can help with.

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And I do like the pictures in your portfolio very much. Real pleasure to see. BTW, if you could post somehow like Wetransfer.com any raw pixel-shifted scan and no-shift scan of the same frame, i would be truly grateful - i really want to see myself what is the difference. Thanks!

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SSelvidge: I’m guessing that the old Nikon scanners have broken a lot of hearts of those of us using NLP now!

Vlad: Thanks for looking at the site. About half of my L.A. street photos are originally from color slide film and I had a fun project recently taking a Nikon F2 out in my neighborhood with rolls of Ektar 100.

I’ll look into Wetransfer . . . .

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Thanks for posting that measured and detailed review of pixel-shift from your own perspective, really interesting. I’ve always liked the look of that Panasonic S1R when it comes to film copying. In particular I don’t think I would have the patience to assemble the separate exposures in another piece of OEM software as some manufacturers require you to do. I read a review by Keith Cooper of Northlight Images here in the UK on the S1R, he doesn’t tend to get over-excited about ‘gear’ but I like his slow and methodical analysis.

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I completely failed to notice this when I replied to your post. Your 45 MegaPixel Nikon Z8 camera can capture 8256 x 5504 pixels but you are allowing so much border that you’re only getting 5611 x 3741 pixels, so only 20 MP, less than my humble Fuji X-T2. Presumably you can’t get close enough with your current lens/setup? Assuming that your lens is good you will see a very significant increase in quality if you fill your frame and make use of the full 45 MP.

I think you’ll find that the most significant benefits of Pixel Shift might be with medium format film, because for 6x6 with a single shot capture (as opposed to stitching) on your Z8 you’ll get a maximum of 5504 x 5504 pixels so you’re only ‘scanning’ at the equivalent of 2500 ppi. Full frame capture of 35mm at 45MP gives you the equivalent of 5825 ppi.

Hey, I am new to camera scanning, but have been using my GFX 50sII with a converted Pentax 645 120mm len and love the results. I have heard a lot of people convert either the Pentax or Mamiya 645 120mm macros to great success. So to economically get to Medium format resolution for scanning, may I suggest a used GFX 100, 100s with a converted lens to get the large resolution at a reasonable cost? Probably less than the Hasselblad lens?