Lens Comparisons

Three Macros and a Scanner compared on both Full-Frame and APS-C at 24MP.



Digitising Cameras: Sony Alpha 7C & Sony Alpha 6400 both 24MP.
Subject: Kodachrome 64 Slide taken with Nikon FM + 28mm f2.8 AI-s lens in Jaipur India1988:
Hand-held and most subjects moving, yet serves as “real-world” sample.
Light Source: Negative Supply Mini - 97 CRI 28mm below. Ambient light above excluded.
Focus separate on both centre and edge targets.
ARW files developed and exported to JPEG (Best Quality) in “Affinity Photo” target crops were flipped but have no alteration/resizing other than posting here.
Overall image (Sigma) below is flipped and does have shadows lifted 25% prior development.





Comments:
40 year old Micro-Nikkor had elements cleaned and iris freed.
Edge target sharpness deteriorated with apertures wider than f8. Nevertheless amazing!

Scanner Nikon 7ED had less contrast, revealing shadow detail, however, had uneven illumination. Was sharper at Full-Frame than APS-C , I tried reversing it without success.

Sony FE 90mm (Optical Steady Shot - Off) exhibited chromatic aberration, more so at Full-Frame, otherwise good.

Sigma 105mm DG DN had very slight pincushion distortion (see top & bottom edges of overall photo above), also slight vignetting wider than f5.6. Excellent.

Will do higher resolution “Full-Frame” tests if I get such a camera!

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Excellent, a lot of work to present your results like this.

Amazing work! The results on vignetting are fascinating. Could you assess the light fall-off in terms of exposure stops for those lenses? Do you still observe any noticeable fall-off when the lens is stopped down to its optimal working aperture?

Regarding resolution, have you tried using a USAF 1951 chart to measure the difference between the center and corners? Vlad’s Test Target would be incredibly useful here—it essentially places the USAF 1951 pattern across the entire surface of the film frame. (A shameless plug for my product!)

@Harry and @VladS Thank you both. I think only the Scanner Nikon I could measure, the others seem only slight. The three macro fall-off tests were at their optimal apertures, although could be used at f8 which most likely would improve fall-off, the Scanner can’t stop down (easily). The macros most likely improve with stopping further down but diffraction starts. It was interesting to me to see also colour difference!

I do have your wonderful USAF chart and I have posted the Sigma previously but can’t remember which thread? At 24MP all the lenses here would perform much the same. I might do an addenda using the chart at 24MP? But it really needs to be at higher resolution. My test initially, was to choose which lens to carry on using for dynamic range, and sharpness.

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Very good to present the vignetting like that, not often shown, if ever. It does certainly show up as a possible issue with the Nikon scanner lens, particularly for colour negative of course but I’d say for transparency as well, correction of some sort required.

Robert O’Toole was distinctly unimpressed with the Sony 90mm lens in his 2020 1:1 tests, finding that it exhibited a lot of CA if he opened it in Capture One and so neutralised the built-in corrections, it didn’t make it through from the APS-C pre-test. Wondering whether you did something similar here?

https://www.closeuphotography.com/1x-test-2020

@Harry When opening the full-frame ARW file in Affinity Photo, the “Sony 90mm Macro Lens Profile” did not improve the chromatic aberration, however, the “estimate from image” profile in Affinity Photo cleared it up. Good news for Sony 90mm owners! The other lenses did not have profiles at the time, the Sigma may have now?

A friend gave me the Scanner Nikon so I was keen to compare it having read favourable comments about scanner lenses here and reading Robert O’Toole and Daniel Knop’s reviews. I think they must be suited to higher magnifications and “line-sensors”? I used a Nikon Coolscan LS1000 in the 90’s a lot, and was never happy with the sharpness. Although you could select a focus point, I felt it was never grain sharp over most of the image. I put this down to lack of depth-of-field and film curvature, at the time. My friend also has a Minolta DiMage 5400 lens, he might give me as well, which I will compare.

Thanks, as you say, amazing what the Micro-Nikkor can do, especially when you can see its construction side by side with the Sony & Sigma.

Great test/examples. Thanks for that :slight_smile:

I recently acquired a Minolta 5400 DiMage f4 40mm Scanner Lens and wanted to see if it would be better to use than my current scanning lens, the Sigma 105mm f2·8 DG DN Macro Art.

Following my previous comparison above and with the knowledge that focusing could be an issue I decided to experiment with a measured depth of field comparison.


I drew up a test patten of dashed lines the length of a 35mm film frame diagonal with centre, 24mmØ and 36mmØ marks using Adobe Illustrator. The test pattern is mounted onto a stand made of mount board angled 22·5 degrees from the lens axis. Using “Right Triangle Calculator” a ·25mm line spacing at 22·5º needed to be increased 108·293% to represent ·25mm vertical line spacing, the overall pattern being 8mm high vertically. I printed the pattern with my mono laser printer which has a pitch of 1200dpi so there is some moiré effect, nevertheless, there is sufficient edge between black toner imprint and paper for checking focus.

For each lens at both full frame and APS-C I used a 24x36mm rectangle on the platform to set the magnification, then raised the camera/lens to achieve focus on the centre of the centre line on the angled pattern. I used indirect daylight so there is colour temperature change during the day and between cameras: Sony A7C and Sony A6400.

When I bought the Sigma I tested it for slide/neg copying at all apertures and found it best between f5·6 and f8, I use f8. It has a 10mm extension fitted so focusing at 1:1 doesn’t max-out. The Minolta is fixed at f4.


Four lines sharp corner to corner so ·75mm depth of field then gradual loss of focus to 1·5mm depth of field.

Bonus: this also tests field curvature and chromatic aberration.


At least five lines sharp corner to corner so 1mm depth of field then gradual loss of focus to 2mm depth of field.


Three lines sharp corner to corner so ·5mm depth of field, very rapid loss of focus beyond four lines though. I used the Minolta lens reversed for APS-C as the image quality dropped off beyond 24mmØ in normal orientation. This lens is designed for magnification at 1·8:1 and performs best up to 4:1 (according to Daniel Knop). So it makes sense to me reversing it for 1:1·5 which is a reduction of the subject size.


Not quite three lines sharp in centre. Although this lens covers the subject at 1:1, it’s not its comfort zone, sharpness deteriorates beyond 24mmØ. I tried both lens orientations.


Using the same Kodachrome slide as before, this time the 631x631 pixel crops near the frame edge have been resized to 1262x1262 for easier assessment. Each lens was very carefully focused on this target crop with the aid of Sony Imaging Edge Desktop Remote and my Velmex Unislide.

Conclusion
The winner here for digitising 35mm photos is the lesser magnification of 1:1·5 APS-C. Both the lenses are neck-and-neck, the Sigma maybe showing slightly sharper grain, however, the Sigma maintains that sharpness easily across the entire image with its greater depth of field. It encompasses film curvature and non-parallelism of sensor and subject, especially when scanning multiple photos expeditely. Whereas the Minolta requires a very precise and finely adjustable setup with flat film to achieve sharp focus all-over.

I did try the Minolta lens at its intended magnification of 1·8:1 on this photo, it was as good but didn’t resolve any more information/sharpness from this image. Is then 24mp enough for 35mm photos, mostly hand-held? It does provide higher resolution than 4K TVs and projectors.

For medium and large format negs then obviously full frame or larger sensors with their higher available resolutions working at less magnifications than 1:1 will be more suitable.

Finally, do any lenses out there perform as good or better on full frame at 1:1 than APS-C at 1:1·5 on 35mm photos with the same sensor resolution? I do have a Rodenstock Apo Ronar 150mm f9 in my 4x5 kit???

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Pixel density is quite high on an APS-C sensor and a very good lens is needed for best results.
The typical 24 Mpixel APS-C sensor (mathematically) resolves 125 lp/mm…which corresponds to a 54 Mpixel FF sensor. Haven’t yet seen MTF curves going that high! Schneider has MTF displayed at 24/40/80 lp/mm, most other manufacturers document 10 and 30 lp/mm, if at all. Using lenses outside of their best distance (for which they have been made) setting can change things too.

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A popular candidate for 35mm film on to APS-C sensor would be the 75mm f4.5 Apo-Rodagon D 2x in its normal orientation. Recommended by Rodenstock for 0.4x to 0.83x when used for camera copying but able to cover MF sensors. I use it on 24MP Fuji X-Trans, but the X-Trans sensor has now reached 40MP with a correspondingly small pixel pitch of 3.0 µm.

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The 75mm f4 Apo-Rodagon D 1x is pretty outstanding on full frame for 35mm copying but has a comparatively small range of recommended optimum magnification of 0.8x to 1.2x for camera copying. The 75mm ‘2x’ is widely thought to be the same as the fixed aperture 75mm Rodenstock Magnagon lens used in Imacon & Hasselblad ‘Virtual Drum’ scanners and in that application is used for copying 35mm to 5"x4" film originals at very high resolution (up to 8000 ppi for 35mm, 3200 ppi for MF, 1020 ppi for 5"x4". With very good lenses the resolution is limited by the MP of the sensor so I’d say that there is minimal difference between APS-C and Full Frame at 24MP though full frame sensors should have better dynamic range.

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@Harry Do you use your 75mm f4·5 Apo-Rodagon D 2x with bellows, and how does it compare with your Micro Nikkor 55mm?

The 75mm f4 Apo-Rodagon D 1x would obviously take advantage of the high resolution and dynamic range that full frame sensors provide. Do know how it compares in image quality with your f4·5 D 2x? I see @VladS uses one, I must ask him as well.

Coinimaging mentions: The contrast is very good, but not quite that of a modern macro lens.

@VladS How does the 75mm f4 Apo-Rodagon D 1x compare in image quality and sharpness with the 75mm f4·5 2x?

@Graham Yes, I do use it on bellows, I will put something up on the other thread so that you can see how the Newport sliding stage works with it. To be precise I’m using a Fuji X-T2, APS-C of course, but I still have my ancient Canon 5D MkII so I could do a full frame comparison using Vlad’s Test Target between the 1x on Full Frame and the 2x on APS-C, although the Canon is only 21MP. I’d like to be able to compare a 42MP Sony A7R3 with a 40MP Fuji X-T5 but realistically the difference between 40MP and 24MP is only around 2 elements on the VTT and probably pretty hard to discern on actual film.

I haven’t tried the 1x on the Canon but the 2x is my best lens for the Fuji. Not by a long way because as you have suggested there are small gains at 24MP with even excellent lenses and the differences are in how they manage the corners on the VTT.

I use a Canon FL Bellows with a K&F Concept FD-FX adapter and a Canon Mount Adapter A to go to L39 for the lens.

There are excellent comparisons using the VTT and actual film on the FB Forum ‘Digitising film with a digital camera’ by Peter Orth on 61MP Sony and also 24MP APS-C and Full Frame.

I have no first hand experience. I have 2x , but not 1x which is more expensive. From what I hear for our purposes they are very close.