Help: What is going on with this conversion

[beefstu]

Hi all,
Having a terrible time with this roll of film. I scanned all of it the same way I normally do. Half the images of the roll seem to come out relatively normal, the rest look like the sample case I’ve linked below; like some kind of crazy 1970s experimental album cover.
I notice that the temp and tint for auto neutral are getting set wildly high. Why is this? Turning them down gives me somewhat more normal of an image, but not right.
What on earth is happening here?
Happy to provide more info if needed; this is my first time posting for help.

Relevant info
3.0.2 | Fuji X-T5, Nikon AF 60mm Micro, Valoi easy 35

DSCF4605.RAF

[Digitizer]

Welcome to the forum @beefstu

I get the same result as you did … unless … I crop off the white and black borders BEFORE using NLP.

When I convert the image with borders cropped off with NLP (or manually) I get these results after a few tweaks of exposure, contrast, structure, clarity and the saturation/dynamic sliders:

A desired result might be somewhere in between the two versions. My “old style” was done with the preset I created, but can’t add to the post. Copy the text between the lines with “…” to an empty text file and save it as “Beach.xmp”. Then you should be able to import it with Lightroom (check the “file” menu entries). Please be aware that this preset was made for this image and that applying it to other images can get you unexpected looks

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@nate, I found no way to attach the original XMP file. Can you set the forum to allow it?

About Valoi easy35: Valoi easy35 now available - #9 by koenji75

[nate]

This is a tough scene for the single-image analysis to figure out, with tricky lighting and shadows, so if you haven’t tried it yet, I think you’d get really nice results if you used the Roll Analysis feature of v3.

That said, the biggest issues with the conversion are just that there is too much contrast and the white balance is a bit off…

Here’s a quick attempt at fixing it… just set the preset to “NLP - Neutral” and adjusted the white balance to taste.

I also manually adding some Lens Correction vignetting to fix some light imbalances in the corners of the negative.

Hope that helps!

-Nate

[beefstu]

Hey thanks for the response!

Yes, playing with blackclip does seem to help some of the issues I’ve had, but there’s a still something else going on. I keep getting weird behavior if I re-open NLP after first converting an image. Images change visually as soon as it reopens.

I think it might have something to do with the profiles from 2.3 still being set up?
Example:

I’ve got the Color Model set to Basic and the Advanced setting is set to 3.0+, but the profiles show up as v2.3 - Frontier.

Is there a way to fully uninstall 2.3?

[Digitizer]

Most profiles names mention 2.3 as this was the version of NLP that introduced new algorithms an profiles. The number in profile names creates irritations at times, but fear not, they not only work with NLP version 3, they are essential to it.

If you’d remove those profiles, you’d basically make NLP useless.